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 Post subject: Rawlings Date/Pattern Coding (Blackhorse/Dot Code, etc)
Unread postPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:23 am 
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Rawlings glove codes: (Excluding stock model pro preferreds such as a PROS15TCB or a PROS17ICB etc.)
This is from my first hand knowledge: Pretty much every Rawlings model can be made 1/4" larger or smaller than its book size.

Anything with a 217-____ is usually an 11" glove
Anything with an 88-____ is usually an 11.25" glove (Very narrow with the double heel lace)
Anything with a 200-____ is usually an 11.5" glove
Anything with a 201-____ is usually an 11.75" glove
Anything with a 12-____ is usually a 12" glove (Basically replaced the old PRO1000)
Anything with a 1000-____ is usually a 12.25" glove (Used to be well known 12" model)
Anything with a 504-_____ is usually a 12.5" glove
Anything with a 301-_____ is usually a 12.75" glove (not as deep/ wide as a PRO302)
Anything with a 302-_____ is usually a 12.75" glove
Anything with a 303-_____ is usually a 12.75" glove (more narrow and long compared to a PRO302)

Personalized Glove Codes:
PRONP- Neifi Perez Model. NP2- 11.25 NP3- 11.25 (modified conventional back), NP4- 11.5, NP5 11.75 NP12 12"
PROAK- Adam Kennedy Model From 11 to 11.25 to 11.5
PRODJ- Jeter Model. Mostly all 11.5" Wide and flat pocket. Somewhere between a PRO200 and NP4
PRORV23/ AR13- Usually 12 1/4" with deep bowl pocket and shape. Has hinged thick single post.
PROTROY25- Troy Glaus gamer- Typically runs 12" with a narrow and flat pocket shape. Has thicker single post web.
PROTROY11- Small pattern Glaus glove. Usually 11- 11 1/2 with I-Web.

Web codes (Numbers only, no TC for mod trap or IC for I web conventional back ect):
EG: 200-1 Single post web
1- Single Post Web (Very narrow; About two laces shorter across the top of the web compared to others)
2- I-Web
3- Basket Web
4- Modified Trapeze
5- Single Post Double Bar (Sizemore/ Abreu web)
6- H-Web
7- (Can't remember)
8- Solid One Piece
9- Solid Two Piece
10- (Can't remember)
11- Basket Connector
12- Rawlings version of the Dual Hinge

Color Codes:
B- Black
N- Navy
R- Royal
P- Primo/ Burgundy colored HOH (Not Horween leather to our knowledge)
T- Tan
C- Chocolate Brown
Any special one off colors or awkward combos will often be denoted by an "SO" for special order or just left blank at the end unless there is a special leather used. For example the Red Pedro Martinez model. PRO200-4J. Its Red Japan HOH. The Brown Pro Preferred's come marked as "SO" from my experience. Also, plain tan gloves will come as a PROXXX-X.

Leather Codes:
Anything with a "K" is pro preferred leather. PRO200-6K
Anything with a "J" is Japanese HOH PRO200-6JB (Black Japan HOH)
Anything with a "TL" is Oil treated Tan PRO200-4TL
Anything with an "M" has a mesh back PRO201-3JBM
Anything with a "DC" has the dual core tech PRO502-3DC

Blackhorse dating system. Works for Pre 1998 and Current 4 letter dating system.
B1
L2
A3
C4
K5
H6
O7
R8
S9
E0

BEER=1008 or October 2008
KBB= 5/11 or November 1995

Dot System:
2 Dot- 2002
1 Dot- 2001
5 Dots- 2000
4 Dots- 1999
3 Dots- 1998

PRO88: Narrow and deep pocket 11.25" glove. Where the welting is on the fingers means little about the glove other than a reinforcing stitch that is needed because of the way the pattern is designed. This glove also has the two laces running through the palm. (Not a fan of the PRO88 at all)
PRONP2: Smaller version of the PRONP4. Wide and flat pocket just shorter than an NP4, which in my opinion feels bigger than 11 1/2 and the NP5 feels bigger than 11 3/4, but the NP2 feels really close to 11 1/4. Since the NP2 is a smaller glove, it only has 2 laces on the thumb/pinky as opposed to three on the larger NP's. These also have a leather reinforcement behind the web area. I'm not exactly sure of this, but I am pretty sure it is because the pocket is so flat that area of the glove takes a beating over time and it helps not destroy the laces. (Also seen on the PRO88, NP3,4,5)
PRONP3(L): I might be wrong on this one, but I'm pretty sure I'm right here. The NP3 is the same as the NP2 only it has a modified conventional back. Again, its a fairly wide and flat (not as flat as the NP2, because of the back). Also, like the NP2, NP4, and NP5 this one has the extra hinge lace at the crotch of the glove to allow it to be so wide.

PRO200: Very standard 11 1/2 inch pattern. Square shaped, meaning its not too deep or wide. Pretty much allows it to be used anywhere in the infield and with any sort of web, and it will work with that web.
PRONP4: Basically an augmentation of the NP2. Depending on the glove, it feels like 1/4 or 1/2 inch bigger than the NP2. Wide and flat. As described above, it has three laces on the thumb/pinky and has the 3 lace crotch. Exception to the rule: PROSNP4G- Grey Eagle NP4 labeled as 11 1/4, but felt like 11 1/2.
PRODJ2: Kind of the inbetween of the 200 and NP4. My custom DJ2 with SP web and the store DJ2 models I have seem to be shaped squarely like the 200, but as wide as the NP4. The DJ2's pocket is flat, but not as flat/shallow as the NP4, but not as deep as the PRO200. It is a little wider than the 200 and also has the three lace crotch. Weird Exception: Some of the earliest DJ2's were shown in catalogs with the two sets of laces running though the palm. I've never seen one on Ebay or in person, but you never know. Might have been an error.

PRONP5: Augmentation of the NP4 in 11 3/4 size. Basically everything above. I've never felt an NP5 without thinking it was closer to a 12" though.
PRO200 11 3/4 size: Same as above only with longer fingers adding the 1/4 inch. True to size in my opinion.

Thanks to HRKING for the great info.........

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 Post subject: Re: Rawlings Date/Pattern Coding (Blackhorse/Dot Code, etc)
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OK, Wake, I'm still a little confused.

I have a Rawlings Pro-TF B that I bought in 1987. The date code on the back of the thumb says HBB01. It has a full TRAP-EZE web, is black, and has the snorting black horse in the palm.

So does the HBB part of the code mean November 1986? What does the 01 part mean?

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 Post subject: Re: Rawlings Date/Pattern Coding (Blackhorse/Dot Code, etc)
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Great information, thanks for posting!


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 Post subject: Re: Rawlings Date/Pattern Coding (Blackhorse/Dot Code, etc)
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John:

You are correct about teh November 1986 dating of the glove. On the HOH with the blackhorse code, the last two numbers refer to the tannery used for the leather of the glove. In your case, 01 = Horween (my favorite).


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 Post subject: Re: Rawlings Date/Pattern Coding (Blackhorse/Dot Code, etc)
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You guys are great! Thank you. Horween, yes, Horween it is. When you hold this glove, you can tell that it is Horween. It's like welded iron plate and butter all at once.

Thanks guys.

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 Post subject: Re: Rawlings Date/Pattern Coding (Blackhorse/Dot Code, etc)
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Let me put a link here where Hrking explains differences in patterns:
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 Post subject: Re: Rawlings Date/Pattern Coding (Blackhorse/Dot Code, etc)
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Pattern info. has been added to the post....Thanks

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 Post subject: Re: Rawlings Date/Pattern Coding (Blackhorse/Dot Code, etc)
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Great post Wake! Everything a Rawlings guy would ever want to know about patterns and leather. Thanks! :D


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 Post subject: Re: Rawlings Date/Pattern Coding (Blackhorse/Dot Code, etc)
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Two letter questions?

What does an "S" mean, as in TCS or 07SC?

What does a "W" mean, as in BFW?


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 Post subject: Re: Rawlings Date/Pattern Coding (Blackhorse/Dot Code, etc)
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"07" is the pattern (was Biggio's glove) S is "Solid" and in "Solid one piece" and "c" like it says in the guide, is for a conventional back.

Im pretty sure the "w" is for womens. I am almost positive those gloves were Rawlings reaching out to womens FP.

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i thought 07 was omars pattern

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The 07 was after they discontinued the CB and then the 2b115P, but I think it was sold as the same for both guys.

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Was wondering what year the following code number was: OBB01

Also, is there a run down of years of the 80's models ?

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OBB = 711 or November 1997

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 Post subject: Re: Rawlings Date/Pattern Coding (Blackhorse/Dot Code, etc)
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I have a USA made PRO12TC with the code REK09.

Any help on what year it could be made in?


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