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 Post subject: Re: The Shaw brother's...42-213
Unread postPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:55 pm 
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The 1968 Gene Alley Spalding i.e. the XPG-H Mantle vertical coiled connector.
In 1961, the XPG3, RSP, EM were Heart of the Hide, the XPG9 Cerv personal was not. In 1962 the XPGP, XPG3, XPG6 and EM were Heart of the Hide the Roy Sievers personal model was not.
I guess the information I'm getting is that Rawlings had in those days "XPGS" AND "XPG5 "patterns" that they were using to make the XPG9??? :?:


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 Post subject: Re: The Shaw brother's...42-213
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spedrunr wrote:
I think both price and pattern help determine the Rawlings/Spalding crossover gloves. The higher priced models were the HOH equivalents(?)

I didn't think my question would be so complicated ;)


I was providing what I considered similar size/patterned model from Rawlings. These are no doubt HOH quality, but I have a number of Spalding gloves with obscure model numbers or numbers that don't seem to match anything in the catalog or source book. Sometimes as with the Shaw's which are suffix 213. The catalog lists. Suffix 215.
The XPG9 is also very similar and I did have a Ron Hunt personal model that I don't believe I ever found catalogued either.


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 Post subject: Re: The Shaw brother's...42-213
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That a Hickman Special Ed?


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 Post subject: Re: The Shaw brother's...42-213
Unread postPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:23 am 
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Good info Wake. I am assuming that Rawlings used the same basic pattern (called "tang") for all of its XPG models. The largest retail size was the XPG3 or perhaps the XPGP which incorporated a different palm struct called the" Dual step down palm" and "Speed Trap" web. As far as I know, no XPG1 or XPG2, XPG4, XPG5 shows up as a retail #. We did have the XPG8, XPG10, XPG12 and XPGH.
Each higher number on the XPG scale I believe was a smaller pattern (retail wise).
Ron Hunt shows up in the 1966 catalog on the XPG10 as a replacement endorsement for Eddie Mathews, who was on the XPG10 in 1963, 1964, 1965.
The Bob Shaw Spalding model in 1961 was the 42-213, then 42-215 in 1962 and '63 (don't have 1964 Spalding Cat) and in 1965 Jim Bouton's name is on the 42-213 and Jim Hickman's on the 42-215.
Wake raises the question on which crossover gloves did Rawlings use the Heart of the Hide leather on the Spalding counterpoints?
I will try to determine exactly when (it appears) that Rawlings was making the Spalding gloves (done so before the acquisition and perhaps after Spalding had to divest ownership of Rawlings.
Here's a breakdown I did on the 1968 Rawlings Spalding crossovers some time ago (think I got it right) :
Rawlings was making gloves for Spalding from 1956 till about early 1970s I believe. In short, Rawlings would make it's "tang" pattern and model glove and duplicate it for Spalding. For those of you who might be interested, and I'm only gonna compare the top gloves, here's the tradeoff for 1968.
Rawlings XFG1 (no endorsement) Same Spalding Glove became the Jim Bunning 42-201 .
Rawlings XPG3 Ken Boyer became the Spalding Pete Ward 42-205
Rawlings XPGH Mantle became the Spalding Gene Alley 42-215
Rawlings XPG6 Mantle became (I think) the Spalding Roger Maris 42-217 (the photocopy is dark on the web so can't be sure) Palm pattern is the same.
Suggested retail prices are almost exactly identical.

Hope this helps.


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 Post subject: Re: The Shaw brother's...42-213
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That a Hickman Special Ed?


it's a gene alley (allegedly signed and gamer?)


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 Post subject: Re: The Shaw brother's...42-213
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softball66 wrote:
Wake, I'm having a hard time making the correlation from the Spalding Shaw (1961?) 42-213, a $31.00 in 1961 and 4th highest price store model glove that year behind the Ford, Colavito and Bolling Spalding personal models. The $31.00 equivalent store model for Rawlings that yea is the XPG9 Bob Cerv model. If we're talking about store models and not pro stocks as I don't see an XPG5 or an XPGS listed in the Rawlings Retail catalog lines for those years (I've not looked at the actual catalog). I see a Shaw 42-215 personal in 1963 same price $31. So, guess we're talking about pro stock Numbers/Gloves? Now I'm not looking in the catalogs to make the comparison just the source book.
In 1962 Rawlings had XPG9 Sievers Pers. at $31 and 1963 XPG10 Mathews personal at $31.95. So guess we're talking about non-catalogued gloves??


I got curious and compared the urban Consumer Price Index from summer of 1961 to today. Works out pretty close to a multiplier of 7.5. So, $32 for a glove back then would be about $240 in today's dollars.


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